im aiming for the “shes a badass and cute as hell but I wouldn’t touch her without asking” look
- are you gay?
- straight people: wHAT?! NO! WHAT THE HELL OF COURSE NOT! I MEAN IM COOL WITH GAY PEOPLE BUT NO!!!
- gay people: hella
- pan/bi/poly people: ish?
- are you straight:
- straight people: YES????? WHAT ELSE WOULD I BE???? DO I LOOK GAY???? IS IT MY SHIRT????
- gay people: nah
- pan/bi/poly people: ish?
okay.. I can see WHY you and many others would think he would be victorious.
let us first eliminate batman’ greatest power.. PREP TIME! It’s a shoddy plot mechanic.
Any character in the universe could beat any other character if they had unlimited resources, infinite prep time and first strike. It’s nothing to brag about.
and before i get into this I must inform you (and others) that Spider-man is my fave comic book character of all time and Batman is in my top 5. (just in case anyone thinks i am some kind of batman hater)
now that is out of the way.
let me explain you a thing
in a random encounter in like.. a city environment Batman would have absolutely zero chance against spider-man. None. Zip. Nil. Zero. It doesn’t matter if it’s day or night. Or sunny or raining or snowing.
Spider-man outclasses batman in every department. By a lot. Speed, reflexes, agility, strength, power, durability, endurance..
Spider-man could stand there and let batman hit him and all batman would do is break all the bones in his hand/foot/face/whatever he hits him with.
From range batman wouldn’t be able to hit spider-man with anything. He could either shoot any projectiles out of the air or easily avoid them.
Once they get in close it’s game over, man. Batman may be one of the best fighters in comics but it’s not gonna help him in any way against a guy who could dodge dozens of bullets from several goons firing machine guns at point blank range and can lift a two ton elephant like it’s nothing.
oh and spider sense. So no sneak attacks from batman!
Spider-man would beat him with ease. Ridiculous ease. Spider-man would break the bat.
batfans can argue all day… but no. You can say ‘oh batman beat superman/deathstroke/hal Jordan/wonder woman/blah/etc/whatevs’ alllllll day long and it doesn’t matter.
there’s no plot induced stupidity involved here. It’s as realistic as possible.
and even if you wanna give batman some prep time it still wouldn’t make a difference. an hour? not enough time? 2 hours? nope? 5? neah.
im enjoying this discussion but lets put this into some context.
Why would batman fight spiderman? [lets not think about how there in two different verses for a second]
My guess is that spiderman would have to go rogue. its not like spiderman just all of a sudden decided he had a beef with batman. The only way they would end up fighitng is if something happened to spiderman to create a complex where batman NEEDED to fight spiderman. With this being said it would probably always give batman the prep time he needed.
also batman eat sleeps and breaths protecting civilization. He devices take down plans for LITERALLY EVERYONE. your on the justice league? doesnt matter what if you went rogue we gotta have a back up. Does that mean he gets kicked off the justice league? WHATEVER he doesnt care he’s making sure everyone is safe. with this though process i would say he would device a plan for EVER hero he knows, which would include spiderman.
Granted these idea he has do infact have windows of opportunity to get out of. otherwise we probably would have no more justice league but what im saying is you cant discredit batman. cant take him out of the game.
perhaps based souly on abilities we could say for sure spiderman would win but thats just not a believable situation.Why does spider-man have to go rogue?
Also. They are fighting because it’s a fight.
What you’re describing there is prep time.
There is no prep time.
That’s why i specifically stated it was a random encounter. All fights i do are random encounters unless someone states prep time is allowed. And when prep time IS allowed.. everyone gets it. And Spider-man with prep time is a scary though. He’s already got a massive advantage over batman with being physically superior.
and every fight i do is based on abilities and powers. Fairest way to do it. No biased decisions that way.
You make a really valid point about giving spiderman prep time.Id love to see what would happen if they were both given the same amount of prep time.Because batmans powers completely hinge on the fact that he has that time to get to know his enemy, no argument there. But he does a lot with that time given. Id like to see what spiderman would do given the same amount of prep time since i would say thats usually not something spiderman has in general. Id also say that giving batman no prep time is a way to handicap his biggest strength.
The scope i was arguing is trying to make a fight between spiderman and batman believable. Because knowing their personalities its just not something that would easily happen. Thats why i argued spiderman would have to go rogue because otherwise i doubt batman would bother giving him the time of day, and if spider man didnt go rogue then he probably would be really excited to meet batman if they ever crossed paths as he is with a ton of the avengers. Also id say if batman knew about spidermans existence at all he would already be working out a plan to defeat him like he did with justice league members, several of his own villains etc.
Based souly on powers and abilities your completely right spiderman wins, in fact almost any superhero would win against batman in a random encounter simply because on the fact that they have powers and batman is just a guy who is really rich. But id aruge that the gadgets are not what make batman so powerful, its how he uses them and his ability to device plans and schemes thats a big part of why he is such a great superhero. So to do a random encounter is actually including a bias because its taking out one of batmans most crucial powers.This may warm the cockles of your heart.
They’ve appeared together in at least 2 comics together. Spider-man is well aware of who batman is.
Even Ultimate Spider-man knows of batman
Although in the ultimate universe batman may actually just be a fictional character. But yeah.
I fully understand that prep time is a MASSIVE part of batman’s powers but. It’s lame. It’s basically ‘Batman can beat (insert character/s) if he had unlimited resources, unlimited prep time and first strike.’ but then so could anyone.
Random locations means he wouldn’t be allowed to place traps and snares which would hinder him. If he was allowed prep time AND choice of location then it ceases to be a fight and becomes a mugging.
And it was Helmuth von Moltke the Elder who said “No plan of operations extends with certainty beyond the first encounter with the enemy’s main strength (no plan survives contact with the enemy)”
"You can’t just change the race of cultural icons like Captain America! It’s an important part of their identity and message!"
Jesus: Ah yes.
Jesus: Can’t imagine who would do that.
Jesus: What a shame.